If so, how can you justify taking other people's work and making money on it? If writers can't make a living from their work, they won't create new works.

From checking out the donations thread, it's plain this site is making lots of money. If you want to "share," how about sharing some of the money with the people who actually did the work?

Dave Creek

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If so, how can you justify taking other people's work and making money on it? If writers can't make a living from their work, they won't create new works.

From checking out the donations thread, it's plain this site is making lots of money. If you want to "share," how about sharing some of the money with the people who actually did the work?

Dave Creek

Lol I love morons like you. The donation thread did not get all the donations at one time so no it does not make a lot of money. 2nd a lot of us do pay for the app after we have fully tested it from here. I will tell you now that if it was not for this place more then 75% of my 400 or so paid apps I would not have tried. So from me the devs are actually getting more out of me then if this site was taken down.

If so, how can you justify taking other people's work and making money on it? If writers can't make a living from their work, they won't create new works.

From checking out the donations thread, it's plain this site is making lots of money. If you want to "share," how about sharing some of the money with the people who actually did the work?

Dave Creek

arrrr pieces of eight mi Jim lad

[ga!nusha]

All money from donations go to hosting companies for keeping the servers up.
Locked!

[Zacharie]

Dave, dear Dave. We can follow a short way what you mean, but you have to see the whole picture. This site is about making programs and games available for a large public. We can't deny cracking exist and if it wasn't here it would be elsewhere that hackers and 'serials exchangers' would do their thing. Don't blame it on us. Donations are indeed necessary to keep this site alive and again, if people wouldn't donate here, they would donate elsewhere, don't blame it on us either. This site is much more than just 'taking' other people's work. We present their work in an ordered way, we always mention the developer's page and we urge our users to support developers and buy the regular versions if they like and use the programs or games. We also are a large source of feedback and comments of programs as they are used on many levels and different devices. Feedback that developers can use to modify and update their programs to become better and more adapted to a larger public. And please, don't think the whole world visits this site. We are only a small drop of the huge sea that the internet is about and if you would post this same comment you give on every site that makes applications and programs available to everyone, you would be busy for a long time. Then I'm not sure you would get a reply like here, as we care about everyone's opinion. Finally I would like to mention our attitude against developers that don't understand what we do here: if you are a developer, and really mind us to post your programs and games, despite the structured and regular way, despite the fact we mention your homepage, despite the fact that you might reach many more people that would purchase your programs compared to those who would 'accidentally' discover your program and eventually go looking for a cracked version anyway, despite the feedback you get from our large community... you can always PM our head administrator who will listen to your arguments and eventually decide to 'protect' your programs by releasing them to a 'restricted' public, the VIPs from our site. If I were a developer, I would think about it, instead of fighting the unbeatable.

Since I can't comment anymore on the previous topic, I'll make a new one. I don't know about gaming -- it isn't something I do.

What I was speaking about in the previous topic was the e-books that are available. Many are still in copyright and the authors get nothing if they're downloaded from here.

How do you justify stealing someone's livelihood like that? Most writers can't make a living on their writing, they have to have full-time jobs. If you respect an author enough to read his/her work, why can't you respect them enough to pay for it?

Yes, I'm a writer, too.

Dave Creek

why can't you respect them enough to pay for it?

If you pirated something that doesn't mean that you don't respect the author. Everyone pirates something, even you. So, you don't have the right to ask that question.

If you respect an author enough to read his/her work

If I read something that doesn't mean that I respect the author.

Your mind is backwards and your logic is below the sea level. Maybe that's why your books don't sell.

[sherlockx]

Perhaps I could reply to your satisfaction.

You say that you are a writer but you make no mention as to whether you are a commercially published author.

I am.

Firstly, did you know that the commercial shelf life of a book from even an international best seller is three months, before the book becomes remaindered.

One of the greatest problems for an author is getting enough publicity and believe me even if you go around doing talks (which I have) you will never get enough.
So I personally would see it as a sign of success for a book to appear on a site like this for it would mean that my target audience is increasing.

Secondly, I have read lots of books on screen whether it be on the pc or pda but I will still go out and buy that book in hard copy if I have really enjoyed it. I have also bought books with joyful anticpation only to be absolutely devastated with them ,an example being "Mostly Harmless" by Douglas Adams.

Thirdly, If you think that this site is bad then try buying some books off ebay. I recently paid less than 5 euros for 2 dvds of science fiction. Much to my surprise the dvds contained many current authors who would be surprised to find their works on such discs. The discs contain in the region of 10,000 books.

I personally have a library of about 5,000 paper books from 200 years old to those published last month but if I see a book on this site I will look at it to see if it is worth buying.

If you care to look at some of my puzzles you will see that I recently whimsically suggested I might publish a book of them and having recently met an author of learning type maths puzzles for children who is published on disc I might just do that. Hmm let me think, how many members and browsers are there on this site that might just decide to buy it even if it was availlable to download from the e-books section?

Does the above allay your concerns?

p.s Incidentally some authors are now making their works availlable free for electronic download but plugging the hard copy as well e.g http://www.geoffwolak-writing.com/index.html
No that is not me.

[davidgilling]

Then I'm not sure you would get a reply like here, as we care about everyone's opinion.

I got a permanent ban on ipmart for linking to ppcwarez as the source for the app -.-

Anyway, the reason why I get my paid (Android) apps from here, is that I can't buy them from the app market... I have no way to pay for them, as I don't have a Google Checkout account.

imho, 95% of people downloading paid content, would not have bought the content anyway ... they are just grabbing it coz its free. so the author is not missing out on any income.
In fact, as stated before me, from those remaining 5% there is a good % that actually buy the app / game / book if they like it.
there is no such thing as bad publicity, and if a game (or book) is really good, a lot of buzz will be created by sites like these with many positive comments .. this will create more sales !

this is clearly an informative website linking to other websites. mobilism.org is not hosting anything illegal or pirate worthy. clearly.

besides, writing books is a cop out, get a real job.

now donate me your 52 wrz's. author's are supposed to be broke