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Feb 22nd, 2008, 5:13 am
Ok...
If it was me i would use the pen knife and cut the sleeping bag length ways into strips. I would use the ruler as a guide in cutting the sleeping bag into 150x2m long strips of material and make some sort of rope
i would then use the saw to cut the wood into pieces and make a 300 meters long rope ladder?
Feb 22nd, 2008, 5:13 am
Feb 22nd, 2008, 10:13 am
Hi XVI,
An interesting approach to which i have given some thought.
Assuming the sleeping bag to be 75cm wide when zipped up then using both inner & outer that would give you 2x2x75 cm or 3 metres. 3 metres/150 = 2cm wide strips.
Now I have had a number of sleeping bags in my time & my experience is that the inner & outer materials are rather thin because we want light bags that can be put in or on a knapsack or mtb etc.
2cm strips would be unlikely to give sufficient tensile strength and if they do not snap are likely to fray.
Ropeladder? well your calculation gives you 300 m of cloth strips . If you mean a double sided ropeladder then you will be hanging over 150 metres from the ground at the end.
If you mean a knot ladder with pieces of wood substituting for the knots well, it is theoretically possible save for the strength of the "rope"
But as you know I had the intact sleeping bag filled with rations after I escaped.

My solution is a practical one and for the avoidance of doubt I actually constructed this solution many years ago although not 300m long. Discussing the problem with a friend the other night we reached the conclusion that my solution would support between 0.4 tonnes to 0.66 tonnes.

p.s I was tempted to find an old sleeping bag & cut it up just to see empirically what the breaking strain was but those nice young men in their clean white coats do not allow me sharp objects nowadays :cry: :cry:
Feb 22nd, 2008, 10:13 am

sherlockx The Eternal Trickster
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Feb 22nd, 2008, 2:22 pm
hmm...seems impossible. This Hoodoo, how hard is the rock? is it something you could maybe drill into?
Feb 22nd, 2008, 2:22 pm
Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:20 pm
No XVI it is not impossible but it does need you to look at the problem in a slightly sideways back to front way.

Try asking some questions

As I said I have constructed this sort of solution myself & looking on google there are even plans for it. :twisted: :D :D :lol: :lol:

The hardness of the rock is fairly irrelevant to the solution but typically this geologic fature has a hard igneous cap on a soft pillar.

The shape is caused by differential weathering normally by wind.

Yes you could drill into it , but again this is not really relevant to the solution
Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:20 pm

sherlockx The Eternal Trickster
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Feb 24th, 2008, 12:54 am
Oh dear, no one has any ideas or questions.
Ok then a hint start singing " hooh! aah!" ( repeat as necessary) until you have an idea :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Feb 24th, 2008, 12:54 am

sherlockx The Eternal Trickster
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Feb 24th, 2008, 3:49 am
oh man, oh man, oh man.
Have you actually tried this?

I GIVE UP, I would have given up by now and thrown myself of the edge head first
AAAAAaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh..................!SPLAT!
Feb 24th, 2008, 3:49 am
Feb 25th, 2008, 3:11 pm
sherlockx wrote:Oh dear, no one has any ideas or questions.
Ok then a hint start singing " hooh! aah!" ( repeat as necessary) until you have an idea :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

sherlockx wrote:With your knowledge of music please will you answer the clue


Hum... I remember Sam Cooke singing something like:

I hear somethin' sayin'

(Hooh! aah!) (hooh! aah!)
(Hooh! aah!) (hooh! aah!)

(Well, don't you know)
That's the sound of the men working on the chain ga-a-ang
That's the sound of the men working on the chain gang

All day long they're singin'
(Hooh! aah!) (hooh! aah!)


Maybe an idea?

Guy1731
Feb 25th, 2008, 3:11 pm

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Feb 26th, 2008, 1:14 am
sherlockx wrote:Oh dear, no one has any ideas or questions.
Ok then a hint start singing " hooh! aah!" ( repeat as necessary) until you have an idea :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



No IDEA whatsoever?????????
Feb 26th, 2008, 1:14 am
Feb 27th, 2008, 2:02 pm
Sherlockx, a question. Hum, two in fact:

1/ Has your solution something to do with this "Sam Cooke" song?

2/ If yes, should we study the lyrics of this song to help us find your solution.

We need a little help here. (OK, I admit it... You're happy now? :roll: )

Guy1731
Feb 27th, 2008, 2:02 pm

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Feb 27th, 2008, 2:26 pm
Guy 1731 said:-
1/ Has your solution something to do with this "Sam Cooke" song?

2/ If yes, should we study the lyrics of this song to help us find your solution.


answers
1) yes
2) no
The song is entitled "Chain Gang"
and that was the clue
So the escape involves a chain
And I imagine someone will be posting the answer as fast as I can do one of your Jigsaw Contests Guy :D :D :D :D
Feb 27th, 2008, 2:26 pm

sherlockx The Eternal Trickster
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Feb 28th, 2008, 1:07 am
I went thru the lyrics to chain gang song like 1000 times.

And the clue is "CHAIN"

what sort of CHAIN?
A chain is a unit of length?

Specific uses for chain include:

* Bicycle chain, chain that transfers power from the pedals to the drive-wheel of a bicycle thus propelling it
* Chain drive, the main feature that differentiated the safety bicycle
* Chain gun, type of machine gun that utilizes a chain, driven by an external power source, to actuate the mechanism rather than using recoil
* Chain pumps, type of water pump where an endless chain has positioned on it circular discs
* Chain-linked Lewis, lifting device made from two curved steel legs
* Chainsaw, portable mechanical, motorized saw
* Curb chain, used on curb bits when riding a horse
* Door chain, a type of security chain on a door that makes it possible to open a door from the inside while still making it difficult for someone outside to force his or her way inside
* Keychain, a small chain that connects a small item to a keyring
* Lead shank (or "Stud chain"), used on difficult horses that are misbehaving
* O-ring chain, a specialized type of roller chain
* Roller chain, the type of chain most commonly used for transmission of mechanical power on bicycles, motorcycles, and in industrial and agricultural machinery
* Snow chains, used to improve traction in snow
* Timing chain, used to transfer rotational position from the crankshaft to the valve and ignition system on an internal combustion engine, typically with a 2:1 speed reduction.
* Ball and chain, phrase that can refer to either the actual restraint device that was used to slow down prisoners, or a derogatory description of a person's significant other
* Bicycle lock (or "bicycle chain"), lockable chain
* Leg iron chains (Fetters), an alternative to handcuffs
* Chain link fencing, type of fencing that utilizes vertical wires that are bent in a zig zag fashion and linked to each other
* Chain of office, collar or heavy gold chain worn as insignia of office or a mark of fealty in medieval Europe and the United Kingdom
* Chain weapon, a medieval weapon made of one or more weights attached to a handle with a chain
* Nunchaku, karate sticks linked by a chain
* Omega chain, a pseudo-chain where the 'links' are mounted on a backing rather than being interlinked
* Pull switch, an electrical switch operated by a chain
* Flat chain, form of chain used chiefly in agricultural machinery
* Decorating clothing, some people wear wallets with chains connected to their belts, or pants decorated with chains
* Jewelry, many necklaces and bracelets are made out of small chains of gold and silver
* Jack chain, a toothed chain used to move logs
* Ladder chain, a light wire chain used with sprockets for low torque power transmission
* Chains can also be used as a percussion instrument for special effects, such as in Schönberg's Gurre-Lieder and Janáček's From the House of the Dead
Feb 28th, 2008, 1:07 am
Feb 28th, 2008, 1:14 am
And I imagine someone will be posting the answer as fast as I can do one of your Jigsaw Contests Guy!

I take that people take a very long time to finish Guys puzzles?

Just give it up and give us the answer
Feb 28th, 2008, 1:14 am
Feb 28th, 2008, 10:27 pm
Welll Guy hates me because I can solve one of his Jigsaw puzzles in 15 minutes :lol: :lol:

Having obtained the clue that the escape involves Chain you really need to think sideways on and upside down about the properties of Chain.
Here is an image to meditate on.
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Feb 28th, 2008, 10:27 pm

sherlockx The Eternal Trickster
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Feb 29th, 2008, 2:26 pm
If you are really stuck then on the 29 and 30 March in Munich you may well be able to meet a couple of the German experts in making this device. These two gentlemen are ranked the top two in the world.
Feb 29th, 2008, 2:26 pm

sherlockx The Eternal Trickster
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Feb 29th, 2008, 2:56 pm
XVI wrote:And I imagine someone will be posting the answer as fast as I can do one of your Jigsaw Contests Guy!

My contests are definitely more friendly than Sherlockx's because mine are "humanity touched" by andree...

Guy1731
Feb 29th, 2008, 2:56 pm

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