[he11ion]

Posted reading material that falls into the category of Erotica seems to be on the increase. I understand that there is quite a demand and some of the authors, very popular. Mobilism has always been more mainstream with the odd erotic novel added now and again (generally the better authors). There are sites that cater to this genre that are readily accessible and have developed specific areas for these listings.

I was wondering if it would be out of the question to add a section for this type of reading material, strike that, add two sections, one for “Erotica” and another perhaps “Erotica by/with numbers”…

Just a thought, Don't shoot the messenger



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[zackddog]

I thought that an adult section already existed. You can find erotica posted somewhere here. Not long ago I saw Delta of Venus posted, and if you request it, I'm sure more would be available. As for a whole section? I don't know if there's enough true erotica to warrant it, unless you include raunchy crap in it.

God no! And that get rid of that porno shit in the movie section as well, that's dragging an otherwise reputable site down. In the end, you will have tons of skin and none of the stuff that we came here in the first place to find.

[he11ion]

God no! And that get rid of that porno shit in the movie section as well, that's dragging an otherwise reputable site down. In the end, you will have tons of skin and none of the stuff that we came here in the first place to find.

Lucifer Yes... The thought process behind the query was this: Erotica seems to have its own following and there are those that enjoy the odd book or two. But it seems to be interfering with the mainstream books, therefore a section specifically for Erotic Novels would keep it behind closed doors (not so readily accessible to young ones), out of the line of site for those who have no interest and still cater to those that do.

On saying that I appreciate what you are getting at , can’t say I ever go into those sections…

Cheers

[Bohica60]

1) We DO already have an Adult section, which unfortunately, does not have in it a great many number of books that are in the the main Novels section, that SHOULD be in the Adult section.

2) Then you have the question of "What makes it 'Erotica'?" I realize this may seem a silly question, but there really IS no defining line. What one person sees/defines as Erotica, another may see/define as normal everyday reading material.

Do romance novels count as erotica? Maybe. Maybe not. What some used to refer to as "bodice-rippers" would at one time be considered as such. Nowadays ...? There are many women who just consider them to be good reading material.

One of my favorite SF writers Robert A. Heinlein, has written many books that, when they came out, would have been considered Erotica, based on the contents of the story. These days? Hah! Not likely!

3) Every Category/Section/Sub-Section added here means that much more work for the Mods. Another Category/Section/Sub-Section that needs to be policed and maintained and taken care of and watched over.

[womble]

Okay, I have to say I'm guilty of posting some books that could/should be termed erotica, I was not aware this was a problem, if the general opinion is it should be posted in the adult section, I'll be glad to do that (once I get the hang of something new!) I don't want to lower standards as I really enjoy this site, I'm always open to suggestions (well non rude ones!), so lets have your opinions, where do you want these books posted?
I really do promise not to be offended, honest!!

[Bohica60]

womble, I was NOT pointing fingers at you or anyone else in particular. I was simply stating that SOME of the books that go into the main section have, depending on your point-of-view, (steamier, filthier, more erotic, etc. - pick your favorite. ) more explicit dialogue/language than most mainstream books do.

Some of them have downright XXX text. Yet they are in the main section, because nobody knows this unless they happen to read them. Or because the uploader 'forgot' to add the 'Adult' tag to the title, and so on.

I look at it this way, if the book is something you wouldn't want your own kids (grandkids, nieces, nephews, etc) reading, it probably needs to be tagged 'Adult.'

I have nothing against erotic literature, in fact, I sometimes read it myself. I just don't think the more extreme, explicit material should fall into the 'general' category.

And no, I don't remember what book(s) it was that I found - it was not one of yours, - I just remember thinking, "This is in the main category"?

[womble]

womble, I was NOT pointing fingers at you or anyone else in particular. I was simply stating that SOME of the books that go into the main section have, depending on your point-of-view, (steamier, filthier, more erotic, etc. - pick your favorite. ) more explicit dialogue/language than most mainstream books do.

Some of them have downright XXX text. Yet they are in the main section, because nobody knows this unless they happen to read them. Or because the uploader 'forgot' to add the 'Adult' tag to the title, and so on.

I look at it this way, if the book is something you wouldn't want your own kids (grandkids, nieces, nephews, etc) reading, it probably needs to be tagged 'Adult.'

I have nothing against erotic literature, in fact, I sometimes read it myself. I just don't think the more extreme, explicit material should fall into the 'general' category.

And no, I don't remember what book(s) it was that I found - it was not one of yours, - I just remember thinking, "This is in the main category"?

Bohica60 I know your not pointing fingers, when I first posted these books the mods put them in Novels so I've continued doing this, your question

2) Then you have the question of "What makes it 'Erotica'?" I realize this may seem a silly question, but there really IS no defining line. What one person sees/defines as Erotica, another may see/define as normal everyday reading material.

says it all, how do you decide? In another forum erotica is usually decided by the publishers, anything by Samain publishing, Ellora's Cave or Siren Bookstrand for example is considered mainly erotica.

One of my favorite SF writers Robert A. Heinlein, has written many books that, when they came out, would have been considered Erotica, based on the contents of the story. These days? Hah! Not likely!

I've found that SF is generally racier, as is romantic fiction.

[hmorphone]

I think the thing that's changed over recent years is that there is no clear delineation between the categories anymore.
You used to be able to separate books into regular books and porn, with the occasional banned or controversial book thrown in.

Now the types all flow from one to the other, with every sort of possible mix.

Some forums have handled this by making three categories. If you add an in-between category for "erotic", gay, menage, and kinky books, this partially "solves" the problem.

I think this is best discussed between the Mods and Admins. It involves them putting in extra work, and it gets back to the question of what philosophies they want to run the board with. I think it is silly to try to separate the books out just for the intent of keeping minors away from the "erotic" books, not because that isn't a good cause, but because it's ineffective against frisky, computer savvy teenage boys (or girls.) I don't think it really works short of having photocopies of ID mailed to the board for verification. Even if that were feasible, they can easily turn to google, torrents, or another board to access that material.

Now, if the intent is to provide a defense against legal action, I suppose it makes more sense.

The real question, I think, is convenience to the forum members.

If I'm looking for "regular" fiction, and I have to wade through a huge pile of posts with "bodice rippers" and "erotic" books, I could get rather annoyed. Or if I'm looking at a novel, about to download it - until I notice that it's M/M (which I don't care to read) and I get aggravated. I don't feel that's currently the case, but some might give posters like womble some flack because they have hit their personal limits. She could choose to make a judgement call with each post, and possibly put some (IE Ellora's Cave as a possible example) in the adult section, with the rest in with regular novels.

Just one possible "solution."

That's the way I would lean, at least for the moment.

[he11ion]

That was very well put, there is certainly no pointing of fingers or intent to do so. I have come to understand that Erotic publications hinge more around the bedroom scenes where as romance is more about the story line. Further as Womble suggested there are a number of publisher’s that cater to the more explicit releases, Torque, Elora’s Cave, Loose ID etc... . But that is all a matter of oppinion, I had a giggle when one of my neighbours refered to M&B Presents as Erotic.

This was meant as a generalized comment that I decided to thread when my neighbours teenager was utilizing my account looking to download a new book, I found her sitting at my pc reading the blurbs on books that I would class as having extreme erotic content. I don’t mind reading the odd Erotic Title every now and again, but I feel sure some of the guys roll their eyes and groan when coming across the increased volume of these releases in the main section.

Womble, I really have not looked at your releases for a long while, My earlier comment “Erotica by numbers” sort of sums it up. Cut and paste pdf’s with page numbers etc.. inclusive is not my thing. Most ebooks are listed without for very good reason and my focus is more on them. On saying this it is not intended as a personal dig, rather a personal preference. From what I have read on the various lists about transcribing and posting, the message is clear, play around privately and when you get it right, then post, until then, post the original.

[zackddog]

My definition of erotica? OK, since you asked. Erotica are usually one of a kind books. Good literature with sex as a part of the mixture, just one more of the various elements of the story being told. And as with any good literature the writer tries to describe to the best of his abilities what his characters are feeling, seeing, tasting or touching. They try to transcribe the whole emotional, olfactory, tactile, visual, and aural experience of sex into words. It's sex that at the end, it's about more than just the act, it's about what makes us tick, what makes us hurt or love or hate. It's about what makes us human.

Porn is just about how someone is getting ****** by how many inches and in what abundance of positions and the ending is the end. Romance novels are about who is getting ******(in more ways than one) by how many inches belonging to such a strong, virile (make of it what you want) and handsome gentleman/rogue that at the end (right before he pulls a Jimmy Hoffa and goes bye bye) he lets her cuddle up and leaves a rose on the pillow. Leaving her poor, pregnant, heartbroken and vowing revenge against malekind, not mankind.

But that's just my opinion.

Edited to read: about who is getting ******(in more ways than one) by how many inches

[he11ion]

Porn is just about how someone is getting ****** by how many inches and in what abundance of positions and the ending is the end. Romance novels are about who is getting ****** by how many inches belonging to such a strong, virile (make of it what you want) and handsome gentleman/rogue that at the end (right before he pulls a Jimmy Hoffa and goes bye bye) he lets her cuddle up and leaves a rose on the pillow. Leaving her poor, pregnant, heartbroken and vowing revenge against malekind, not mankind.

But that's just my opinion.

Lolz.... I like it!!!!

[Bohica60]

Porn is just about how someone is getting ****** by how many inches and in what abundance of positions and the ending is the end. Romance novels are about who is getting ****** by how many inches belonging to such a strong, virile (make of it what you want) and handsome gentleman/rogue that at the end (right before he pulls a Jimmy Hoffa and goes bye bye) he lets her cuddle up and leaves a rose on the pillow. Leaving her poor, pregnant, heartbroken and vowing revenge against malekind, not mankind.

Pretty good descriptions!

And the books mentioned earlier were ones that basically fit your description of porn, except that it was written instead of photographic! THOSE are the ones I was saying should not be in the 'Main' or 'General' category. THOSE are the ones that should be in the 'Adult' section, but there are some like that in the 'Main' section

[zackddog]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and pull numbers out of the ether and outta my ass, I'll say that Porn is mainly (90%? 95%?) for males (both gay and hetero) and romance novels are mainly for females (90%? 95%?) both gay and hetero.

Bohica, porn is porn, the medium is no biggie. Yeah, pun intended.

[womble]

A lot of the genre’s cross over now, I think it’s a case of if in doubt post in the adult section, maybe with the publisher in the title,

Hmorphone wrote:
I think this is best discussed between the Mods and Admins. It involves them putting in extra work, and it gets back to the question of what philosophies they want to run the board with. I think it is silly to try to separate the books out just for the intent of keeping minors away from the "erotic" books, not because that isn't a good cause, but because it's ineffective against frisky, computer savvy teenage boys (or girls.) I don't think it really works short of having photocopies of ID mailed to the board for verification. Even if that were feasible, they can easily turn to google, torrents, or another board to access that material.

Kids are scary with computers these days, if they want to get in there’s no stopping them!

Ooh harsh zackdog:
Romance novels are about who is getting ******(in more ways than one) by how many inches belonging to such a strong, virile (make of it what you want) and handsome gentleman/rogue that at the end (right before he pulls a Jimmy Hoffa and goes bye bye) he lets her cuddle up and leaves a rose on the pillow. Leaving her poor, pregnant, heartbroken and vowing revenge against malekind, not mankind.

But that's just my opinion.

You left out ‘he was leaving for her own good!’