[Bohica60]

While not my "cup of tea" so to speak, I have nothing against "Romance" books, per se. Volume, some days, but genre, no. I tend to favor mostly Sci-Fi, but like a lot of other genres too. I suppose if most of the books being posted were (Insert favorite type of book here), somebody would be complaining about those too!

What Farrahdog and Womble are doing is providing books people want, the same as the rest of you could be doing, but instead you are here complaining because they aren't posting what YOU want. You want others to ONLY post what YOU want. Unrealistic expectations at best!

I can only say that for those of you who don't like this sort of book, you are free to start posting the types you DO like ANY time now. Or, as we say where I'm from:

"PUT UP OR SHUT UP!"

Is there a chance of creating a new sub-forum specifically for romance? It's getting ridiculous. I can no longer casually surf around for new reads without it being buried under tons of romance...even the "good" looking titles end up disappointing me when I click and find a cover of a naked dude...wtf. Nowadays I give up after reading through 10 nonstop pages chock full of romance and not finding a decent non-romance fiction read. I'm starting to use this site less and less because of this.

[mesquite]

Is there a chance of creating a new sub-forum specifically for romance? It's getting ridiculous. I can no longer casually surf around for new reads without it being buried under tons of romance...even the "good" looking titles end up disappointing me when I click and find a cover of a naked dude...wtf. Nowadays I give up after reading through 10 nonstop pages chock full of romance and not finding a decent non-romance fiction read. I'm starting to use this site less and less because of this.

Like they say, put up or shut up. I like to give it time. Just be patient, the summer releases are coming and from what I see, they are going to be good.

[Bohica60]

Is there a chance of creating a new sub-forum specifically for romance? It's getting ridiculous. I can no longer casually surf around for new reads without it being buried under tons of romance...even the "good" looking titles end up disappointing me when I click and find a cover of a naked dude...wtf. Nowadays I give up after reading through 10 nonstop pages chock full of romance and not finding a decent non-romance fiction read. I'm starting to use this site less and less because of this.

See post #15. I'm not going to repeat what has already been answered.

[zackddog]

I'm getting tired of the moaning and groaning.

I've said it. Merry has said it. Red's said it. Bo's agreed.

Put up or shut up. I'm personally sick and tired of all the whining and baby crying. If you have nothing positive to contribute to this thread i.e "I'm gonna spend a little time searching for books by MY favorite authors and I'm gonna spend a little more time finding out what's new on MY favorite genres, just so that I can post it on the forum, and maybe encourage others to do the same" instead of genre bashing and blaming OUR lack of initiative and altruism on the lack of sub genres on the board, then, by all that is gummy bear good, I will lock down this thread. And any others like it. And damn the torpedoes.

I've done some of the bashing myself, but mostly in good humor and always keeping in mind that I'm the one that has the ultimate say on what I see posted on the board by posting more of what I like. Not just showing up and EXPECTING TO FIND only what I like. And I'm done watching you spoiled brats bash some of our nicest and most giving of our members. So help me Snoopy, these 5 or 6 posters deserve your thanks and gratitude, not your hurtful words and your blaming them for your own shortcomings. But I guess that that is typical spoiled brat behavior, nothing is ever your fault, it's always the other guy.
The funny thing, is the loudest whining comes from the ones with the least amount of releases, whom most forums would call leeches.

And thanks Hmorphone, that's hitting the nail right in the head. As soon as 3 of us or more agree on what's what, we'll start slitting the sub genres.

[jaysee]

Also, I don't believe it's practical, no matter how many times it's suggested, to start splitting fiction up into different sections. Even if it were, I think we'd spawn even more discussions/arguments than we have now over which section is the right one to put a particular book/series in. There's a lot of what I call "crossover" fiction nowadays.

I'm sure I've said this somewhere on here but if not I'll say it here. For books that cover more than one theme then the dominant theme would be the defining category. It's not that hard. For example 'Fifty Shades of Grey' would be under Romance/Erotica as it's thematic content is primarily romance/sex. And so on. It's not that complicated as libraries and bookshops do it all the time. there are plenty of tools out there if anyone is unsure.

Discussions and arguments about the possible sub-categories have been going on for some time, no agreement so far. My personal point of view is that we do not need any, the crossover you mention happens 9 times out of 10 and it's simply not worth it. We are not a public library and we are not a book store. We offer a service that happens to be one of the best out there, take it or leave it is what I think.

Valid points but the aspect being missed here (at least in my view) is that these boards are USER driven and surely if the USER has comments on how they believe this place can be more user friendly (in their eyes at least) then those are valid comments. It might encourage those users who complain and don't post releases to complain AND post releases. Probably not but, hey, it's worth a shot!!

I do think the major problem with the recent threads/posts here on this topic have slided into being derogatory towards those who READ romance/erotica, which has understandably offended those users who not only read that genre but also release them too. Which is a shame as this negativity is clouding the actual issue and debate of genre sub-forums as opposed to individual reading tastes.

[hmorphone]

You're most welcome Merry.

Jaysee, while I feel you brought some intelligent arguments to the table, you haven't swayed me yet.
Thank goodness your post wasn't another "Me hate chick-lit flood, hear me roar!!" type comment though.

I agree that IF they were split up that the most dominant theme would have to be used. I do feel it may still be "that" hard though.
At first, when you picked "Fifty Shades of Grey" as an example, I thought to myself that's cheating - that's an easy one to categorize.
BUT IT ISN'T!
There has been quite the discussion in times past about whether similar books should be in the fiction section (or a "romance" section,) OR in the adult section.
And to my way of thinking it's a more important question than the one we've been discussing here about the subcategories.
How do we decide? Do we go by whether it's from an "Erotica" type publisher, how many cowboys the cowgirl has in her bed at any one time?, whether she has another cowgirl in there instead?, or the mathematical total of the number of sex toys used in the entire "novel"?

Yes, you're right. Libraries and bookshops do do it all the time. But libraries use the Dewey Decimal system which I don't think would work on the forum,
and bookshops have no other choice but to put the darn book somewhere in the store, sometimes several somewheres.
(I do understand that there are outside tools that could be used, good point.)

I agree with the point you make about the board working best when the board and it's users are in accord, but I don't believe all the ebook section users are necessarily in favor of categories.

And I agree 100% with you that it's wrong for some of these posts/topics to slight the romance/erotica readers and especially the romance/erotica posters!

PS - Kudos to Womble and Farrahdog (and our other great posters,) even if what you release isn't always my personal cup of tea, ya'll are doing a great job! Thanks!

PPS - A Big Thanks to the mods for putting up with all the foolishness and so forth...

PPPS - Oh my goodness! It just hit me! Zackdog, Farrahdog, ..... TWINS?????

[zackddog]

PPPS - Oh my goodness! It just hit me! Zackdog, Farrahdog, ..... TWINS?????

We're brother and sister, but not from the same litter. I'm pretty sure we're from the same sire.

Mamma may be a bitch but she ain't no ho.

[FarrahDog]

PPPS - Oh my goodness! It just hit me! Zackdog, Farrahdog, ..... TWINS?????

We're brother and sister, but not from the same litter. I'm pretty sure we're from the same sire.

Mamma may be a bitch but she ain't no ho.

Someone, anyone, PLEASE tell me I'm adopted!!!!!



BTW hmorphone great points! Wow, I actually agree with someone, seems like that hasn't happened here in a while!

Not trying to provoke anyone here. Just what I think (OMG, an opinion!)

[Bohica60]

PPPS - Oh my goodness! It just hit me! Zackdog, Farrahdog, ..... TWINS?????

We're brother and sister, but not from the same litter. I'm pretty sure we're from the same sire.

Mamma may be a bitch but she ain't no ho.

Someone, anyone, PLEASE tell me I'm adopted!!!!!

110% Agree!

[jaysee]

Jaysee, while I feel you brought some intelligent arguments to the table, you haven't swayed me yet.

Well even a stopped clock is right twice a day

I agree that IF they were split up that the most dominant theme would have to be used. I do feel it may still be "that" hard though. At first, when you picked "Fifty Shades of Grey" as an example, I thought to myself that's cheating - that's an easy one to categorize. BUT IT ISN'T! There has been quite the discussion in times past about whether similar books should be in the fiction section (or a "romance" section,) OR in the adult section. And to my way of thinking it's a more important question than the one we've been discussing here about the subcategories. How do we decide? Do we go by whether it's from an "Erotica" type publisher, how many cowboys the cowgirl has in her bed at any one time?, whether she has another cowgirl in there instead?, or the mathematical total of the number of sex toys used in the entire "novel"?

I understand you're point but I don't agree! There are a number of sites that can help with classification if the mods needed them. To be honest, working in the library service as I do, a lot of it depends on whomever is classifying items. For example if you look at Amazon they class it under 2 seperate areas -



Personally I wouldn't put FSoG in "Women's Fiction" as that indicates books for Women (unless I am misreading it and it means books BY women).

A look over a few other sites does show that the consensus is that FSoG would go into either Romance or Erotica -

Barnes & Noble


Waterstones


Library Of Congress


So it's not really that hard to find out where to place a book Books would never be classified based on the details of the plot to that kind of specificity though (mathematical total of the number of sex toys etc). And are never classified by publishing house or even author for that matter. It is always done (usually inhouse by either a librarian or bibliographic bod) dependent on the company/business/organisation.

Yes, you're right. Libraries and bookshops do do it all the time. But libraries use the Dewey Decimal system which I don't think would work on the forum,and bookshops have no other choice but to put the darn book somewhere in the store, sometimes several somewheres.

Libraries do use DDC but not for fiction. DDC is primarily used for non-fiction works. Fiction is generally shelved by genre and then by author surname. At least here in the UK at least. UK book shops don't use DDC as every thing is filed by genre then topic.

I agree with the point you make about the board working best when the board and it's users are in accord, but I don't believe all the ebook section users are necessarily in favor of categories.

And I agree 100% with you that it's wrong for some of these posts/topics to slight the romance/erotica readers and especially the romance/erotica posters!

PS - Kudos to Womble and Farrahdog (and our other great posters,) even if what you release isn't always my personal cup of tea, ya'll are doing a great job! Thanks!

Agree with you on all points there! I've only ever entered this topic of conversation from the position of a professional librarian and finicky human!! It does grate on me that everything gets lumped in as 'Fcition' but that's because I've spent the past 10 years seperating things out!! And it's not something that means I can't use this site or that I "hate" it so much that I will from now on refuse to come here, it's just me stating a point of view!

I do appreciate all the efforts of everyone who uploads no matter what genre it is. Without the hard work of uploaders this place would die a very quick death!

PPS - A Big Thanks to the mods for putting up with all the foolishness and so forth...

This!

[traceliner]

First, to all the moderators on this site, you all rock, great job making this a VERY user friendly site.Second, re the separation of vampire / scary books, I admit that even as a child I refused to read that type of book, ( had the looking under the bed and making sure the closet door was closed routine for years) and even as an adult I still have that issue, ( got over looking under the bed, but the closet door has to be shut!) but I am so grateful to all the contributors on this site that I have no issue just scrolling past the scary books and looking for other genres to read. I think with all the legal issues surrounding the sharing of ebooks just having such an organized, structured site like Mobilism, I have no complaints about the any of the books posted...I am just glad I have the opportunity to use the site and appreciate any and all ebooks posted.

[Bohica60]

Okay, enough already. Everything that needed to be said (and a few that were not needed), has been said. Now we have folks coming in and trying to pick at it and start it all back up.

So, I'm closing this one before it can get going again.