I bookmarked the resulting page, so its easy to come back to to see whats new. You can also narrow your search down from there with further keywords.
Have fun and loads of happy reading
I went to the search facility, (on the top of the forum page) , used mm as the keyword search, in 'forums' I chose 'eBooks', and I made sure to tick "post subjects and message text" to search with in.
I bookmarked the resulting page, so its easy to come back to to see whats new. You can also narrow your search down from there with further keywords.
Have fun and loads of happy reading
I bookmarked the resulting page, so its easy to come back to to see whats new. You can also narrow your search down from there with further keywords.
Have fun and loads of happy reading
Yeah I do Advanced Search then choose "Search for any term" and then type in MM then hit return on my keyboard. I've always had a lot to pick from. If you are wanting MMM as well then type that in. I only change that one thing though.
I only change that one thing though.
moonlight34200 wrote:I use Advanced search with : MM M/M M\M M|M
Sorry to call you out like that but over time a lot of people go read through even obsure posts and will be waisting their time with the advice you gave. I can understand not knowing, but don't go posting bad advice, or things you haven't even tried.
First off, any search with a forward slash "/" is dead from the get go. Like this one: http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=M/M&submit=Search.
Searching for M|M is equally useless since the vertical bar means OR for the search page. For example, the following search will look for either the keyword apples or the keyword oranges. http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=apples|oranges&submit=Search
Explaining why the the blackslash is just as useless as your first two suggestion is a lot more complicated - but anyone that actually tries it will conclude that they are wasting their time. Try it out for yourself: search.php?keywords=M\M&submit=Search
So from your initial suggestion of "MM M/M M\M M|M", the last three are clearly wrong and we are left with [url=http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=mm|gay|mmm&terms=all&fid[]106&submit=Search[/url] wich works as intended. http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=mm|gay|mmm&terms=all&fid[]19&submit=Search
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I'm glad you got something out of that, that's kind of why I wrote it the way I did. Even when I'm scolding someone my job is rubbing off on me (I teach). Eventually I would like to write a topic on the tricks and tips of searching on a phpbb forum like this one. I've been putting it off because it's going to take hours if to write if I want it to be good enough for someone with limited know-how and/or limited experience (which obviously isnt your case chiya).
I tought it was so nice you wrote to tell me that you understood and that I helped that I'll do another little chapter in my tricks and tips right now and you got to chose the subject: paranormal mm.
The biggest obstacle to finding books by keyword is the all-around stupidity of the search engine and also because of something that is wayyy trickier (that i'll explain later). However, once you know how stupid it is, and how you can get tricked, you can find ways to have it return the results that you want - to the best of it's abilities anyway. The best example I can give at understanding search engines is to search for 2 words that are so similar that anyone would reasonably expect to get the same results.
To help you dismiss that expectation immediately I'll say right now that the search engine we use here on mobilism is so stupid and we have trained it so poorly that it doesn't understand that the word "werewolf" and "werewolves" are related to one another.
Yep, it's really that stupid. I'll repeat it once more so it sinks in for everyone. The search engine sees no ressemblance, no correlation, no link between "werewolf" and "werewolves". I can already hear what the replys would be if I left it at that... the engine might just have gotten tricked by the different word endings. Werewolf has that "f" and the other ends in "ves".
Nope. It's not because of the "v" and the "f". Lets try "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters". Does the engine understand those 2 words are vaguely similar? NO AGAIN. When the search engine reads "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" it only sees 2 "tokens" (search engine lingo for word) and that the tokens are different.
Don't beleive me? That can't be right... right? Try it out:
shapeshifter: search.php?keywords=shapeshifter&sr=posts&submit=Search (315 results the day this post is created)
shapeshifters: search.php?keywords=shapeshifters&sr=posts&submit=Search (281 results)
At this point in class I usually pretend I'm going to leave it at that in terms of "proving my point", that my hypothesis is indisputable, and that I just proved it... whence invariably a student or 3 start frowning and eventually one raises his or her hand to say that it's still possible to have those get those numbers and that I'm wrong. All it would take is that we have 281 posts with "shapeshifter" in them and 34 with "shapeshifters".
This is the second trap and the trickier one. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that a search engine will behave like a word processor in terms of searching to text. I'll explain another time the why of it. Next paragraph final proof that you have to behave and ask question differently in a search engine...
So is this like your word processor? If you search "shapeshifter" in a word processor and then do next->next->next... you are going to catch the all the "shapeshifters" words as well. This looks like this might be the case. It is not. Lets prove it by searching for "shapeshifter" OR "shapeshifters"
http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=shapeshifter|shapeshifters&sr=posts&submit=Search (610 results!!)
If you aren't the slightest a bit suprised here at these results - that searching to a word and it's plural is going to yield twice the results because the search engine isnt aware of the concept of plurality.... then quit it and go read another thread - you're wasting your time here. I was myself really suprised that one iota of effort went into making that search engine the slighyest bit intelligent. (not blaming mobilism crew here - this is squarely in the hands of the volunteers who write the codebase this forum is based on - phpbb.org).
If a search engine behaved like a word processor while searching, then the number of results for "shapeshifter" would have stayed at 315. Instead, we almost have double the result ==> which is a nice demonstration of how search engine think about words. For a search engine "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" as completely different words.
One last point on this. Why the discrepancy then? 315 + 228 is not equal to 610. The only possible solution is that some of those posts have both the word "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" in them. Actually we already know without a search how many posts have both those words... it sould be 610-315-228=67. Let's prove it with by searchng for posts that contain both "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" (we'll use the plus sign to signify we want both word).
http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords="shapeshifter"+"shapeshifters"&sr=posts&submit=Search (35)... allright not the extact number we were looking for but close enough for me to prove my point - I hope.
If you understood the demonstration so far and the implications great - I think it will change the way you search and think about the mobilism search engines and it's capacities or lack thereof. It should have an impact to the way you search.
OK - if you understood anything at all then what's the strategy when you are interested in a book "style" or "theme" like paranormal? You either forget about the books you are going to miss in your searches because the search engine didn't understand that a post was related to your search and never showed it to you....
OR
You go absolutly APESHIT on the trick we talked about in my first post. You find a tag cloud somewhere that has the words you like to read about, or you find them on a goodreads shelf, or in your head but you start typing and you don't stop. Don't assume the search engine will gather words that are similar - it won't.
Your present for reading through all this: a search link that I believe you will enjoy:
[url=http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=(MM|MMM|GAY)+("alpha"|"angels"|"angel"|"blood"|"chimera"|"coven"|"demon"|"demons"|"fairies"|"fairy"|"ghosts"|"mermen"|"pack"|"
paranormal"|"pride"|"shapeshifter"|"shapeshifters"|"shapeshifters"|"shifter"|"shifters"|"succubus"|"supernatural"|
"vampire"|"vampires"|"werebear"|"werecat"|"werewolf"|"werewolves"|"witch"|"witches"|"wolf"|"wolves"|"wolfkin")
&terms=all&author=&fid[]=1291&sr=posts&submit=Search]http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=(MM|MMM|GAY)+("alpha"|"angels"|"angel"|"blood"|"chimera"|"coven"|"demon"|"demons"|"fairies"|"fairy"|"ghosts"|"mermen"|"pack"|"
paranormal"|"pride"|"shapeshifter"|"shapeshifters"|"shapeshifters"|"shifter"|"shifters"|"succubus"|"supernatural"|
"vampire"|"vampires"|"werebear"|"werecat"|"werewolf"|"werewolves"|"witch"|"witches"|"wolf"|"wolves"|"wolfkin")
&terms=all&author=&fid[]=1291&sr=posts&submit=Search[/url] *
It's far from complete, but a decent start?
*edited to change base forum
I tought it was so nice you wrote to tell me that you understood and that I helped that I'll do another little chapter in my tricks and tips right now and you got to chose the subject: paranormal mm.
The biggest obstacle to finding books by keyword is the all-around stupidity of the search engine and also because of something that is wayyy trickier (that i'll explain later). However, once you know how stupid it is, and how you can get tricked, you can find ways to have it return the results that you want - to the best of it's abilities anyway. The best example I can give at understanding search engines is to search for 2 words that are so similar that anyone would reasonably expect to get the same results.
To help you dismiss that expectation immediately I'll say right now that the search engine we use here on mobilism is so stupid and we have trained it so poorly that it doesn't understand that the word "werewolf" and "werewolves" are related to one another.
Yep, it's really that stupid. I'll repeat it once more so it sinks in for everyone. The search engine sees no ressemblance, no correlation, no link between "werewolf" and "werewolves". I can already hear what the replys would be if I left it at that... the engine might just have gotten tricked by the different word endings. Werewolf has that "f" and the other ends in "ves".
Nope. It's not because of the "v" and the "f". Lets try "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters". Does the engine understand those 2 words are vaguely similar? NO AGAIN. When the search engine reads "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" it only sees 2 "tokens" (search engine lingo for word) and that the tokens are different.
Don't beleive me? That can't be right... right? Try it out:
shapeshifter: search.php?keywords=shapeshifter&sr=posts&submit=Search (315 results the day this post is created)
shapeshifters: search.php?keywords=shapeshifters&sr=posts&submit=Search (281 results)
At this point in class I usually pretend I'm going to leave it at that in terms of "proving my point", that my hypothesis is indisputable, and that I just proved it... whence invariably a student or 3 start frowning and eventually one raises his or her hand to say that it's still possible to have those get those numbers and that I'm wrong. All it would take is that we have 281 posts with "shapeshifter" in them and 34 with "shapeshifters".
This is the second trap and the trickier one. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that a search engine will behave like a word processor in terms of searching to text. I'll explain another time the why of it. Next paragraph final proof that you have to behave and ask question differently in a search engine...
So is this like your word processor? If you search "shapeshifter" in a word processor and then do next->next->next... you are going to catch the all the "shapeshifters" words as well. This looks like this might be the case. It is not. Lets prove it by searching for "shapeshifter" OR "shapeshifters"
http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=shapeshifter|shapeshifters&sr=posts&submit=Search (610 results!!)
If you aren't the slightest a bit suprised here at these results - that searching to a word and it's plural is going to yield twice the results because the search engine isnt aware of the concept of plurality.... then quit it and go read another thread - you're wasting your time here. I was myself really suprised that one iota of effort went into making that search engine the slighyest bit intelligent. (not blaming mobilism crew here - this is squarely in the hands of the volunteers who write the codebase this forum is based on - phpbb.org).
If a search engine behaved like a word processor while searching, then the number of results for "shapeshifter" would have stayed at 315. Instead, we almost have double the result ==> which is a nice demonstration of how search engine think about words. For a search engine "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" as completely different words.
One last point on this. Why the discrepancy then? 315 + 228 is not equal to 610. The only possible solution is that some of those posts have both the word "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" in them. Actually we already know without a search how many posts have both those words... it sould be 610-315-228=67. Let's prove it with by searchng for posts that contain both "shapeshifter" and "shapeshifters" (we'll use the plus sign to signify we want both word).
http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords="shapeshifter"+"shapeshifters"&sr=posts&submit=Search (35)... allright not the extact number we were looking for but close enough for me to prove my point - I hope.
If you understood the demonstration so far and the implications great - I think it will change the way you search and think about the mobilism search engines and it's capacities or lack thereof. It should have an impact to the way you search.
OK - if you understood anything at all then what's the strategy when you are interested in a book "style" or "theme" like paranormal? You either forget about the books you are going to miss in your searches because the search engine didn't understand that a post was related to your search and never showed it to you....
OR
You go absolutly APESHIT on the trick we talked about in my first post. You find a tag cloud somewhere that has the words you like to read about, or you find them on a goodreads shelf, or in your head but you start typing and you don't stop. Don't assume the search engine will gather words that are similar - it won't.
Your present for reading through all this: a search link that I believe you will enjoy:
[url=http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=(MM|MMM|GAY)+("alpha"|"angels"|"angel"|"blood"|"chimera"|"coven"|"demon"|"demons"|"fairies"|"fairy"|"ghosts"|"mermen"|"pack"|"
paranormal"|"pride"|"shapeshifter"|"shapeshifters"|"shapeshifters"|"shifter"|"shifters"|"succubus"|"supernatural"|
"vampire"|"vampires"|"werebear"|"werecat"|"werewolf"|"werewolves"|"witch"|"witches"|"wolf"|"wolves"|"wolfkin")
&terms=all&author=&fid[]=1291&sr=posts&submit=Search]http://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=(MM|MMM|GAY)+("alpha"|"angels"|"angel"|"blood"|"chimera"|"coven"|"demon"|"demons"|"fairies"|"fairy"|"ghosts"|"mermen"|"pack"|"
paranormal"|"pride"|"shapeshifter"|"shapeshifters"|"shapeshifters"|"shifter"|"shifters"|"succubus"|"supernatural"|
"vampire"|"vampires"|"werebear"|"werecat"|"werewolf"|"werewolves"|"witch"|"witches"|"wolf"|"wolves"|"wolfkin")
&terms=all&author=&fid[]=1291&sr=posts&submit=Search[/url] *
It's far from complete, but a decent start?
*edited to change base forum
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