Discuss Android apps here.
Aug 18th, 2011, 5:43 pm
I would like to use this thread to discuss the progress and development of Aviasoft's nature apps for Android.
Aug 18th, 2011, 5:43 pm
Aug 18th, 2011, 5:56 pm
The first program for Android will be Europe Birds.

It will work for Android versions 1.6 and above.

Initially in QVGA but unless I am mistaken there should be no problems supporting all Android screen sizes, with this release.

I would be interested in which screen sizes people will be interested in using. HVGA and QVGA are defaults. 480x800 I believe is also becoming a standard size. Any others?
Aug 18th, 2011, 5:56 pm
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:14 pm
I have really missed your excellent bird guide for the last 2 years (since I moved from a WM5 device to Android).

The first Android release will be a great day for me. :-)

Pete
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:14 pm
Aug 19th, 2011, 3:55 pm
Prefer WVGA (480x800), my HD2 :D
I will ask Aviasoft Czech friends.
Birds are not my favorite, I did not translate.
Decisions on you Sarah.
?
- The creation of separate atlases
- Or a collection of Nature
P.
Aug 19th, 2011, 3:55 pm
Aug 19th, 2011, 5:31 pm
ponrepo wrote:Prefer WVGA (480x800), my HD2 :D


This might be the best way to "future proof" the Programs. Downscaling to the lower resolutions won't give problems but upscaling may introduce pixelation to the art work?

That however is the last of my concerns, I just want an Android version of those apps :-)

Pete
Aug 19th, 2011, 5:31 pm
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:58 pm
We can use different graphics for smaller and for larger screens as we did with QVGA and VGA. ;)

Ponrepo... the Birds will be the first as I will be able to solve all issues with it. The other Nature Explorer set of programs will be much more easy to do after I have worked out the Birds program. :lol:
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:58 pm
Aug 20th, 2011, 2:19 pm
I've been playing with the PC version of the Nature Explorer (I've been running linux on my PC's for years but have a Windows XP partition for emergencies :lol: ) and I reckon that would be the ideal layout on a 480x800 HD Android or WM7 device in landscape mode (800x480). The layout of picture on the left and info on the right is great.

Pete
Aug 20th, 2011, 2:19 pm
Aug 21st, 2011, 12:15 am
Mad_Sunday wrote:I've been playing with the PC version of the Nature Explorer (I've been running linux on my PC's for years but have a Windows XP partition for emergencies :lol: ) and I reckon that would be the ideal layout on a 480x800 HD Android or WM7 device in landscape mode (800x480). The layout of picture on the left and info on the right is great.

Pete

I will have to see what is involved in rotating the screen. It was too much hassle with WinMobile. I bet Android is much simpler and more automatically handled. Thing is, I can't have different layouts for different screen sizes or it will get too complicated. There really will have to be a standard program with amendments for the better screens. I see there are 10" Android tablets on eBay. There will be a size beyond which I cannot support. What might be possible is to have a large screen option to change the layout.

My problem will be simply getting the program working. Android is new to me so doing the most basic things is going to take time to work out. There will have to be a standard working mode. It was difficult with WinMobile to, for example, have a single picture or text on the screen and an option to reflow the data so bigger screens could show picture AND text. But once the program is working in the standard way that is the time to look to improve it with display options that can, say, show a photo and text at the same time. :D

I am going to have to work initially within the constraints of QVGA (the device I will soon have to work on) but the same display design constraints would also be true for the more standard HVGA display. These are not large enough to show multi-page data at the same time. But I think the better resolution screens would need MUCH bigger graphics than the current VGA data I have were they to show only a single image or text. So I think the larger screens will have to have both pic and info at the same time to fill the display. I did this with Nature Explorer Windows Desktop version and it looked nice. 480x800 sounds really nice! :)
Aug 21st, 2011, 12:15 am
Aug 21st, 2011, 12:57 am
I realize you are going to have to start with a simple method that works for all (most) resolutions.
Long term I think the HD phones and tablets would benefit from the larger landscape layout as 2 small screens side by side will more easily fit a large one when in landscape? I wasn't trying to pressure you, just thinking out load, of easy routes to long term upgrades :-)

Screen rotation is usually automatic in android if the device has a motion sensor. So that might be interesting for you ;-)

Once you've been able to have a play with your new toy I suspect lots of new ideas will present themselves.

Regards, Pete
Aug 21st, 2011, 12:57 am
Aug 27th, 2011, 9:35 am
How will the solution for translation?
TXT files?

P.
Aug 27th, 2011, 9:35 am
Aug 27th, 2011, 1:31 pm
ponrepo wrote:How will the solution for translation?
TXT files?

P.

Hi Ponrepo

The Android programs will use the original files that the WinMobile program used. So any translated TXT files you have will work in the new program. :))

What I will have to do is use the old system of renaming the file extensions so that Android media player does not catalogue them as 'real' media files....

TXT = TXX
MP3 = MPX
JPG = JPX

Sarah
Aug 27th, 2011, 1:31 pm
Aug 27th, 2011, 2:34 pm
Thank you, I understand.
I'll start with the translation into Czech, birds are not translated. :D
P.
Aug 27th, 2011, 2:34 pm
Aug 27th, 2011, 11:01 pm
ponrepo wrote:Thank you, I understand.
I'll start with the translation into Czech, birds are not translated. :D
P.

Thanks P.

Once the EuroBirds program is working it will be easy to recreate Nature Explorer 1 for Android. :)
Aug 27th, 2011, 11:01 pm
Aug 30th, 2011, 10:53 am
squawksarah wrote:
ponrepo wrote:Thank you, I understand.
I'll start with the translation into Czech, birds are not translated. :D
P.

Thanks P.

Once the EuroBirds program is working it will be easy to recreate Nature Explorer 1 for Android. :)


Dear friends,
very happy to read this.
Hope that all my work to translate will be saved.
P.S. Do not have an Android unit yet, but this will accelerate the migration.
Thank Sarah.
A.
Aug 30th, 2011, 10:53 am
Sep 2nd, 2011, 12:41 am
pucci463 wrote:
squawksarah wrote:
ponrepo wrote:Thank you, I understand.
I'll start with the translation into Czech, birds are not translated. :D
P.

Thanks P.

Once the EuroBirds program is working it will be easy to recreate Nature Explorer 1 for Android. :)


Dear friends,
very happy to read this.
Hope that all my work to translate will be saved.
P.S. Do not have an Android unit yet, but this will accelerate the migration.
Thank Sarah.
A.

Hi Amedeo

Yes, the description texts (and all translations) will be used as they are now. No changes to the format. :)
I did consider a complete redesign using SQL database design. Bit this would mean a lot of work and time. By using the data as it currently exists in the PPC version will produce a much faster v1.0 program release. So this is the course I am going to take. It also means the program data remains editable into different languages with ease. :)

I am currently looking at how to display the program under android. There are two ideas that I have written test programs for. I am thinking of using tabbed pages for each of an item's images/maps/texts, etc. The user would tap the relevent tab to view that page (like an old style office card file where the cardboard tab allows you to open that folder).

Sarah
Sep 2nd, 2011, 12:41 am